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Chomper
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Red lake fishery Reply with quote

I'm not trying to start a negative debate, just want to expose the facts for all who care to see. I see that the post I put here yesterday was deleted. I know this strikes a nerve with many of us, but on the other hand, what are some other ways the tribe can use the $1 mill?

Red Lake, Minn. / Plant to process Red Lake walleye
Pioneer Press

Article Last Updated: 04/10/2007 11:17:06 PM CDT


The Red Lake band of Chippewa is planning to open a commercial walleye processing plant in June thanks to a $1 million grant from the Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community.

Red Lake Chairman Floyd "Buck" Jourdain Jr. said the band will open the Redby plant where tribal members will fillet and freeze the catch themselves.

The operation would be part of Red Lake Foods, which already sells wild berry jams and syrups and wild rice.

Jourdain said only hook-and-line fishing would be allowed for at least the first two or three years. The walleye catch limit, which was 10 fish a day in tribal waters in 2006, may be raised, but the harvest would not exceed the band's total quota, he said.

The band controls all of Lower Red Lake and about 60 percent of Upper Red Lake. Only band members are permitted to keep fish caught in tribal waters.

In the mid-1990s, walleye populations in Red Lake declined dramatically, leading to a ban on commercial fishing. In 1999, the band entered into a 10-year agreement with the state of Minnesota and the Bureau of Indian Affairs to restore the fishery. Walleye fishing on Red Lake resumed last spring.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: just me Reply with quote

Sorry they deleted your post, I tried to make a comment or a statement. That was why it was deleted. It was my fault. Good luck with your responses.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would be wrong with them using the money to invest in a better casino/guide service where they take non-tribal members on guided trips? The money could definitely be used to improve the negative image that many people have about the area. I'm not saying that i'm one of those people, I simply know that many people think poorly of the area and I know that 1 million dollars could be used to improve the image.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: fishery Reply with quote

I think these people are sitting on a pile of lemons, perfect for lemonade. The possibilities are endless, I think if they show the sportman that they are not just "takers" but also contribute to the fine fishery which they call home. Improve the local economy of the region, not just the reservation, they will be looked apon favorably. The State put a ton of money into this project, what kind of investor would provide 100% capitol and only expect a 30% rate of return for all the risk?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chomper i am not sure what you mean by 100% investor and 30% taker....the red lake band paid for more of the stocking then the dnr!! i agree it would be great to fish the rest of the lake even if guided but that is not going to happen anytime soon so just hope things keep going the way they are and hopefully the red lake band continues to fish without gill nets and keep within the allocated pounds of fish!! That is all we can ask for!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Red lake fishery Reply with quote

I guess I'm not educated as to who paid for what, and I sure would hope that the band paid for a majority of the restocking program, but with who's money? The money for the research and restocking progams was grant money. I'm all for helping the next guy out no matter what race you happen to be from. But, if you want things to be better, make a change. I just see this as our government and state have supplied, either directly or indirectly, 100% of the funding to stock and maintain the fishery, but only have access to 30% of the lake. I'm not even sure if 30% of the walleye population are accessable from the small percent of public water. From reading about this on other threads, I know most are at a "wait and see" mode, others have already past judgement. I'm hoping that this will all turn out to benefit both sides.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Fishery Reply with quote

I hope I'm not breaking any rules, but apon doing some research I came apon this. I think that this is very well written, and gives us all a bit of perspective. Bemidji Pioneer

Red Lakers pondered with the idea about opening up the west side of the lake with a planned casino resort but it didnt gain much steam. Many members are opposed plus it would go against what our chiefs had in mind when they signed them treeaties. They wanted the lake to be used by the members and there children and so forth. Red Lake already gave up 13 million acres of territory in the 1800's and with less then a million left the majority would want it kept to the band. The federal government set up this land and its lakes for the exclusive use of the Red Lake band of chippewa. Yes it is a good idea from a economic stand point.(money wise) But somethings are more valueable to us then money one of them being the lake. the majority of the band wants to leave it this way. I there are lots of people out there that are angry with us. I don't know why. We don't try and take other people lands and lakes. I know there is lots of poverty up here and i live in it. you want some positive news about Red Lake. You get it. The opening of the fisheries is going to help alot of poor people in this region. Red Lakers in general are all touched in someway or came from poverty. And its hard getting out. I can't help I was born with nothing. But i can help the situation i am in being i am poor. This is gonna put income into the hands of people that desperately need it. and I being one of them find this is great news. Now i have a way to get the money i need to support my little ones. my kids are 2,3,4 and one on the way. Imagine there little smiles when daddy comes home with stuff. or we all go to walmart. you know. i just don't know why you people out there want to keep up this us them bull. and be happy for us. Red lakers been through so damn much. i'D say all families are touched one way or another with pain of have red skin and being poor. Families suffering over the losses here these past few years, my brother was shot at school too. been through so damn much. It will help us help our selves. It will help the counties Ain't that gonna make the tax paying citizens for the truth happy? Less strain on the bugets of human services.
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04/10/2007 2:32 PM
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply Reply with quote

I am not against anyone getting what they deserve. When I hunt or fish I respect the wildlife. I only keep what I want to eat. I have let way more fish go then I keep including many trophies. I have passed on sure kills while hunting just to marvel at what god has created. On the other hand I worked very hard to get where I am at. I worked many jobs to pay for schooling while getting by on scraps. And I take pride in my job and work very hard at it, so I am not just one of these whinners that want want want. But I also belive these resources were created for all to use equally and If we all want equality we cant be saying I have equal rights but only I can use this resource. I feel extremely sorry for what has happened in red Lake and those families are in my prayers to help them get threw all of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject: Red Lake Reply with quote

I see where the tribal members are coming from in some regards. Opening a resort on Upper Red Lake with a Casino could help their situation dramatically though. They would draw alot of money into the area and still be able to keep the lower part for themselves. They could easily mark the canal between upper and lower to keep non-tribal members out. They could at some point go as far as putting a fish bearer up to end the debate on netting versus angling. This would bring money to the reservation and satisfy the anglers as well. Just wish someone on the reservation would see it the same way and do something about it. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not going to comment on a decision that is not mine to make but rather give my opinion on what would help raise revenue. putting a resort or 2 on the lake with guided fishing trips would definitley make money and bring more money to surrounding buisineses, and i think it would bring not just some money but if done right a whole lot of money$$ and as far as a casino there is no question that makes money. i have a couple of friends that belong to the tribe that owns mistic lake and they have more money than i will ever see in my life.
i would just hate to see it happen all over again and be put in the same situatoin they were 10 years ago. once the lake is empty it will remain that way. i think people learn from the past and this time will be much better on comming up with a plan to keep the lake in hamony Very Happy
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